[CODATA-international] [EXTERNAL] - Re: October 2019: Publications in the Data Science Journal
Baru, Chaitanya K.
cbaru at nsf.gov
Mon Nov 4 10:25:52 EST 2019
Hi Mercury,
This is an interesting idea and would, indeed, be interesting to look at what it takes to get this done. You are basically suggesting what I would call "exit criteria" for projects. Projects would not receive that last slug of funding until these criteria are met, which means of course that there needs to be some sort of review process--which may be a combination of manual and automated, etc.
As you develop your proposal, you may want to keep in mind what is the "burden" on the funding agencies, in terms of reviewing the exit criteria.
Cheers,
--chaitan
Senior Advisor, Data Science Strategic Initiatives
Office of the Vice President for Research
San Diego Supercomputer Center
Halicioglu Data Science Institute
UC San Diego
La Jolla, CA 921093
Email: cbaru at ucsd.edu
On 11/4/19, 12:24 AM, "CODATA-international on behalf of Mercury Fox" <codata-international-bounces at lists.codata.org on behalf of ceds at email.arizona.edu> wrote:
Hi Anita and All-
I am in the early stages of developing a proposal for an institutional
review of NSF's award process. I believe that they are currently
receptive to this type of review, and support from publishers and the
open research community would be very helpful.
The solution here is so simple and obvious--tie the money to the data
by making it a deliverable--that there must be something seriously
dysfunctional in the award process.
Funders can just withhold the last 20% (or whatever) of the award
until the data, which they paid for, is formatted and posted according
to agency guidelines. Then we can forget this nonsense about how to
shift community norms toward open research and data sharing, and focus
on how to promote and incorporate FAIR principles in those agency
guidelines.
I think we all know why these simple solutions aren't adopted, and I
think that an institutional review would be a good place to start
moving past those encumbrances.
On 11/3/19, Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) <A.dewaard at elsevier.com> wrote:
> It would actually be very interesting to 'get you started on the publishing
> industry', Mark!
>
> I completely agree with Mercury that 'publishers should be partners in the
> research ecosystem, not gatekeepers who determine what gets in
> and what stays out of the sphere of public knowledge': so what should we
> do, that we're not currently doing, to be the best partners that we can be?
>
>
> Thanks so much for your advice!
>
> Best,
>
> Anita
>
>
> Anita de Waard
> Vice President of Research Collaborations
> Elsevier Research Collaborations Unit
> 71 Hanley Lane, Jericho, VT 05465
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CODATA-international <codata-international-bounces at lists.codata.org>
> On Behalf Of Parsons, Mark
> Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 1:56 PM
> To: Mercury Fox <ceds at email.arizona.edu>
> Cc: Falk Huettmann <fhuettmann at alaska.edu>; CODATA International
> <codata-international at lists.codata.org>
> Subject: Re: [CODATA-international] October 2019: Publications in the Data
> Science Journal
>
>
> I totally agree, Mercury. (Don’t get me started on the publishing industry).
> I just wanted to give credit to one small program (NSF Arctic) that is doing
> the right thing, and that other agencies and programs should follow its
> lead.
>
> cheers,
>
> -m.
>
>> On 1 Nov 2019, at 11:52, Mercury Fox <ceds at email.arizona.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Mark--that's a great point. That program's open data policy
>> is stated in the DCL
>> (https://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2016/nsf16055/nsf16055.jsp), which also
>> states that the policy is a requirement of international treaty, which
>> probably provides some context for the political will behind the
>> policy in this case. My point is that this kind of clear policy
>> directive shouldn't be a one-off.
>>
>> And since I'm on a soap box about it, I also don't think it's
>> acceptable for NSF & c. to expect the scientific community to simply
>> shift norms and practices in this regard, when the federal funding
>> agencies are unwilling to change the institutional conditions that
>> drive those norms.
>>
>> And another thing... I also think it's inappropriate for them to pass
>> their oversight and quality control duties to the publishing industry,
>> which is basically a roadmap for corruption. I'm not pointing fingers
>> at any specific publisher or agency; but publishers should be partners
>> in the research ecosystem, not gatekeepers who determine what gets in
>> and what stays out of the sphere of public knowledge.
>>
>> OK, that's all the rant I have left in me for today. Thanks everybody
>> and have a great weekend!
>>
>>
>> -Mercury
>>
>> On 11/1/19, Parsons, Mark <parsom3 at rpi.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 Nov 2019, at 10:04, Mercury Fox
>>> <ceds at email.arizona.edu<mailto:ceds at email.arizona.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>> they could change the norm overnight by simply tying the policy to
>>> the award and requiring open data as a deliverable.
>>>
>>> For the record, the NSF Arctic Program does just that, and they
>>> follow up and do QC, AND they fund an archive to make it possible.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> -m.
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Merc Fox
>> Director, CODATA-UA Center of Excellence in Data for Society
>> Data7 + iSchool
>> University of Arizona
>> Tucson, AZ 85721
>>
>> https://ceds.arizona.edu
>>
>> https://orcid.org/0000-0002-0726-7301
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