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    <p>Hi George,<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 13.03.21 um 00:01 schrieb George
      Alter:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">Hi Daureen,
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          <div>Consent forms certainly should address the issue of data
            sharing.  Language like “the data will be destroyed at the
            end of the project” is much less common than it used to be, 
            About a decade ago NIH made a very strong statement against
            language of that kind and in favor of data sharing. <br>
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    <p>and even if data is not to be shared openly, good scientific
      practise forbids destroying data *after the project*. E.g., in
      Germany, the "Guidelines for Safeguarding Good Research Practice.
      Code of Conduct",  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.3923602">https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.3923602</a>, say in
      the guideline on "Archiving", p.20, <br>
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      <p>"When scientific and academic findings are made publicly
        available, the research data (generally raw data) on which they
        are based are generally archived in an accessible and
        identifiable manner for a period of ten years at the institution
        where the data were produced or in cross-location repositories."</p>
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    <p>In the case of sensitive data, most institutional data
      infrastructures will not be designed and staffed to maintain tight
      security while ensuring adequate access for legitimate reasons.
      IMHO, this alone would mean: Sensitive data have to go to
      disciplinary repositories, which have to be outfitted with
      adequate resources, human and technical, and should be certified
      in a meaningful way. <br>
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          <div> Most universities in the US provide language for
            informed consent that is consistent with NIH guidelines.  In
            my opinion, informed consent does not need to specify how
            the data will be shared, because the technologies for doing
            so are still evolving, </div>
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    <p>Unfortunately, the European General Data Protection Regulation,
      GDPR, requires very specific consent and disclosure about the
      purposes for which data will be served. Obviously, that excludes
      such purposes which are as yet unknown.  Consequently, scientific
      body have objected vehemently to the draft of GDPR. I understand
      that there are now legal, but extremely cumbersome workarounds
      (which no scientist in their right mind would take).</p>
    <p>Of course, the German is the most restrictive of national
      implementations of the GDPR. As it appears, this has severely
      hindered epidemiological research of SARS-Cov2, so I hope this
      will lead to reconsideration of its excesses (over the next decade
      or so).</p>
    <p>best,</p>
    <p>Hans<br>
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          <div>but it should include a promise to convey the data to a
            trusted data repository with the commitment and capacity to
            protect sensitive information.</div>
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          <div>Tribal governments in the US have been active in defining
            conditions for data use that protect not only
            individual identities but also community values.  I was
            peripherally involved in one case where the tribe insisted
            on reviewing research proposals before access to the data
            was provided as well as papers before publication.  </div>
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          <div>Data repositories have done a lot of work on procedures
            and technologies for sharing data in a secure way.  There
            are a range of options from online access for anonymous data
            to physical data enclaves with high levels of security.  The
            latter allow repository managers to review work before it is
            removed from the enclave to be sure that identifiable
            information will not be released.    We explain and
            categorize access conditions for confidential data in this
            paper.</div>
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              Roman",serif">Alter,
              George, Gonzalez-Beltran, Alejandra, Ohno-Machado, Lucila,
              & Rocca-Serra,
              Philippe (2020). The Data Tags Suite (DATS) model for
              discovering data access
              and use requirements. <i>GigaScience</i>,
              9(2). doi:10.1093/gigascience/giz165</p>
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                                <div>Best,</div>
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                                <div dir="ltr">       George
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:48
            PM Daureen Nesdill <<a
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The
                    original consent form signed by the participant
                    usually does not address the sharing of data. We see
                    “the data will be destroyed at the end of the
                    project”, etc.. </span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Daureen</span></p>
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                          style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Fraser Taylor
                        [mailto:<a
                          href="mailto:FraserTaylor@Cunet.Carleton.Ca"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">FraserTaylor@Cunet.Carleton.Ca</a>]
                        <br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 12, 2021 10:26 AM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Greg Janée <<a
                          href="mailto:gjanee@ucsb.edu" target="_blank"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">gjanee@ucsb.edu</a>>;
                        Daureen Nesdill <<a
                          href="mailto:daureen.nesdill@utah.edu"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">daureen.nesdill@utah.edu</a>><br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> Greenberg,Jane <<a
                          href="mailto:jg3243@drexel.edu"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jg3243@drexel.edu</a>>;
                        RICE Robin <<a href="mailto:R.Rice@ed.ac.uk"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">R.Rice@ed.ac.uk</a>>;
                        <a
                          href="mailto:codata-international@lists.codata.org"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">codata-international@lists.codata.org</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CODATA-international]
                        information request for a Friday</span></p>
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                          style="color:black">Using de-identified data
                          helps with some issues but does not resolve
                          all of the problems.</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Get <a
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black"> Greg
                      Janée <<a href="mailto:gjanee@ucsb.edu"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gjanee@ucsb.edu</a>><br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 12, 2021 12:15:36 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> Daureen Nesdill <<a
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                      <b>Cc:</b> Fraser Taylor <<a
                        href="mailto:FraserTaylor@Cunet.Carleton.Ca"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">FraserTaylor@Cunet.Carleton.Ca</a>>;
                      Greenberg,Jane <<a
                        href="mailto:jg3243@drexel.edu" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">jg3243@drexel.edu</a>>;
                      RICE Robin <<a href="mailto:R.Rice@ed.ac.uk"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">R.Rice@ed.ac.uk</a>>;
                      <a
                        href="mailto:codata-international@lists.codata.org"
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                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CODATA-international]
                      information request for a Friday</span>
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                        What is the concern with using de-identified
                        data?<br>
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                        > On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:07 AM, Daureen
                        Nesdill <<a
                          href="mailto:daureen.nesdill@utah.edu"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">daureen.nesdill@utah.edu</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
                        > For the record, at this year’s RDAP Summit
                        we learned that those in clinical research are
                        learning to redo their consent forms to include,
                        if appropriate, the sharing of the de-identified
                        data beyond the research project.</span></p>
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Consultant, scientific data infrastructures & policies
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