<div dir="ltr">I completely agree with Simon's view.<div><br></div><div> "Open" alludes to being open to ideas that we (scientific communities) may like or we may not. But ideas must not be stopped from being expressed! <div><br></div><div>Another point I would like to make is about APCs that are not only expensive but prohibitively so. We must recognise this as topping the list of factors contributing to "the divide" . Let me stress the point about "authors who cannot afford and the institutes who cannot afford are offered a discount' . Do we notice what proportion it  (have-nots) is of the whole scientific community?  It is the whole Global South!! (barring a few fortunately funded bodies there).  So giving an x% discount on what may be APC of 1000 USD or more  is still prohibitive!! It does not count as philanthropic support in case of Open Science.</div><div><br></div><div>_</div><div>Devika Madalli</div><div>Indian Statistical Institute </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:51 AM Jean-Claude BURGELMAN <<a href="mailto:Jean-Claude.Burgelman@vub.be">Jean-Claude.Burgelman@vub.be</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">



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<div>In the <a href="https://codata.org/open-science-for-a-global-transformation-codata-coordinated-submission-to-the-unesco-open-science-consultation/" target="_blank">CODATA-coordinated submission to the UNESCO Consultation on Open Science,</a> we stated
 clearly the view that “Paywall publishing does not serve the interests of (publicly-funded) science and the profit margins of the traditional publishers, largely from public funding, are unacceptable.”  In agreement with ISC, we recommended that “scholarly
 publishing needs fundamentally reenvisioning such that it is unambiguously put to the service of science as a global public good.”  These views are also being articulated in the discussions of the <a href="https://en.unesco.org/science-sustainable-future/open-science/advisory-committee" target="_blank">UNESCO
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<div>Elsevier’s profit margins (34% in 2019) and negotiating practices led to responses from a number of countries and universities (see <a href="https://libraries.mit.edu/scholarly/publishing/elsevier-fact-sheet/" target="_blank">MIT Factsheet</a> and <a href="https://osc.universityofcalifornia.edu/uc-publisher-relationships/uc-and-elsevier/" target="_blank">University
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<div>The appearance of Anita’s post on the CODATA International list elicited a number of expressions of concern, in the light of which we reminded subscribers to the list that it is open to third party posts and the appearance of a given third party
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<div>I would be reluctant to apply a ‘no platform’ policy and do not think that the analogy holds between a discussion list for data issues (albeit with 3000 subscribers) and the ‘GAFA' social media platforms in the way that Geoffrey suggests.  I would
 prefer to let subscribers decide whether the initiative advertised is ‘green-washing’ or ’SDG-washing’ or is something of interest.  In this instance, ’no-platforming’ such posts feels to me too much like blocking information to an informed community.</div>
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<div>I would be interested to hear views from other subscribers on this matter in general and specifically whether you would prefer that the CODATA Secretariat should filter more actively posts that are sent to the CODATA International list by third
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<div>With very best wishes,</div>
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<div>On 22 Aug 2020, at 11:05, BOULTON Geoffrey <<a href="mailto:Geoff.Boulton@ed.ac.uk" target="_blank">Geoff.Boulton@ed.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</div>
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 happen in things as profoundly important as the SDGs is doubly worrying. CODATA should think carefully before acting as the technology companies do, by providing a platform for material for which they claim no responsibility.
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To subscribers to the CODATA International list, greetings;<br>
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The message below from Anita Dewaard has caused a number of people to write to me to express concerns and request clarification about the relationship of CODATA to the initiative described.<br>
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<b>I would like to take this opportunity, therefore, to clarify the nature of the CODATA International list and remind readers that the appearance of a third party post on this list does not necessary imply endorsement by CODATA.<br>
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The CODATA International list has over 3000 subscribers from around the world.  It serves three functions:<br>
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1) For CODATA to announce its activities, events, outputs to that community (e.g. recent announcements of the <a href="https://codata.org/call-for-sessions-posters-and-lightning-talks-international-fair-convergence-symposium-2020-deadline-20-july-2020/" target="_blank">FAIR
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2) For third parties to do the same (a number of organisations and projects use the list regularly for this, including DDI, the GEO, geospatial and AGU communities and so on).<br>
3) For discussion threads of particular issues (for example the discussion that led to the <a href="https://codata.org/open-science-for-a-global-transformation-codata-coordinated-submission-to-the-unesco-open-science-consultation/" target="_blank">UNESCO submission</a> or
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The message from Anita is an instance of function 2.<br>
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The CODATA International list is moderated.  However, that simply means that someone from the CODATA Secretariat (generally Asha or myself) checks the post to filter out spam before allowing it through the system.  This is a light touch process that we use
 to eliminate obvious spam and some bad practice (e.g. kind but unnecessarily repeated messages to thank the original poster, misdirected requests to be removed from the list, and some obviously irrelevant posts…).  We do not filter more heavily than that and I
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Simon.<br>
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Five years ago, the UN General Assembly set forth 17 sustainable development goals (SDGs) designed to pave the path to a more sustainable future. The goals are measured against various targets and indicators to be achieved by 2030. To make the best decision
 on which research to fund, program evaluators must have a clear view of the landscape of research supporting the SDGs. This understanding can reveal gaps requiring additional funding and support.<u></u><u></u></div>
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To identify the relevant research for each SDG, the RELX Corporate Responsibility program and several Elsevier Data Scientists have developed a crowdsourcing platform to facilitate matching research publications to the relevant SDGs. The purpose of this work
 is to create an open knowledge base to help identify which research supports which SDG. The aggregated crowdsourced set of article identifiers matched to SDG’s will be made available through Elsevier’s ICSR Lab, to support the scholarly community.<u></u><u></u></div>
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We hereby invite all community members to support this effort, by doing the following:<u></u><u></u></div>
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Access the SDG matching tool on the RELX SDG Resource Centre:<span> </span><a href="https://sdgresources.relx.com/match-research-to-sdgs" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://sdgresources.relx.com/match-research-to-sdgs</a><u></u><u></u></li><li style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:15.5467px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
Select a paper from the list, or upload a paper you think is related to one of the SDG’s<u></u><u></u></li><li style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:15.5467px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
Choose the SDG indicators related to the paper.<u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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The full set of article identifiers related to SDG’s will be made available for research purposes through the ICSR. You can apply for access to ICSR Lab:<a href="https://www.elsevier.com/icsr/icsrlab" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://www.elsevier.com/icsr/icsrlab</a><u></u><u></u></div>
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For more on the RELX SDG Resource Center, see:<span> </span><a href="https://www.elsevier.com/connect/7-ways-you-can-use-our-sdg-resource-centre" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://www.elsevier.com/connect/7-ways-you-can-use-our-sdg-resource-centre</a><u></u><u></u></div>
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For more information on the RELX SDG efforts, please contact Bamini Jayabalasingham,<span> </span><a href="mailto:b.jayabalasingham@elsevier.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">b.jayabalasingham@elsevier.com</a><u></u><u></u></div>
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With kind regards,<span> </span><br>
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