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<div class="">An interesting discussion, but a couple of other points to keep in mind include:</div>
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<div class="">Potential ramifications of the Bayh-Dole act in the US and ownership rights and obligations to inventions and copyrights (and by extension the underlying supporting data). While it may seem that the PI on a grant “owns” their data, it is the
institution form whom the PI works that enters into the agreements with the funding agencies and in the US, there are generally (always) agreements in place between an employee and employer regarding IP assignment obligations. </div>
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<div class="">Provenance and attribution rights and obligations for the underlying data and metadata. This is an area of increasing importance and concern with funding agencies, especially when “trustees” employees may have access to the pre-publication data
of others and can make use of it for their own purposes. Data use and data release policies are becoming increasingly important in some agencies. </div>
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<div class="">Other intellectual property rights that might be tied to how the data and metadata are generated, formatted and disseminated. </div>
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<div class="">On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:25 AM, Baru, Chaitanya K. <<a href="mailto:cbaru@nsf.gov" class="">cbaru@nsf.gov</a>> wrote:</div>
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This is an interesting idea and would, indeed, be interesting to look at what it takes to get this done. You are basically suggesting what I would call "exit criteria" for projects. Projects would not receive that last slug of funding until these criteria are
met, which means of course that there needs to be some sort of review process--which may be a combination of manual and automated, etc.
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As you develop your proposal, you may want to keep in mind what is the "burden" on the funding agencies, in terms of reviewing the exit criteria.
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--chaitan<br class="">
Senior Advisor, Data Science Strategic Initiatives<br class="">
Office of the Vice President for Research<br class="">
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On 11/4/19, 12:24 AM, "CODATA-international on behalf of Mercury Fox" <<a href="mailto:codata-international-bounces@lists.codata.org" class="">codata-international-bounces@lists.codata.org</a> on behalf of
<a href="mailto:ceds@email.arizona.edu" class="">ceds@email.arizona.edu</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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Hi Anita and All-<br class="">
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I am in the early stages of developing a proposal for an institutional<br class="">
review of NSF's award process. I believe that they are currently<br class="">
receptive to this type of review, and support from publishers and the<br class="">
open research community would be very helpful.<br class="">
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The solution here is so simple and obvious--tie the money to the data<br class="">
by making it a deliverable--that there must be something seriously<br class="">
dysfunctional in the award process.<br class="">
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Funders can just withhold the last 20% (or whatever) of the award<br class="">
until the data, which they paid for, is formatted and posted according<br class="">
to agency guidelines. Then we can forget this nonsense about how to<br class="">
shift community norms toward open research and data sharing, and focus<br class="">
on how to promote and incorporate FAIR principles in those agency<br class="">
guidelines.<br class="">
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I think we all know why these simple solutions aren't adopted, and I<br class="">
think that an institutional review would be a good place to start<br class="">
moving past those encumbrances.<br class="">
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On 11/3/19, Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) <<a href="mailto:A.dewaard@elsevier.com" class="">A.dewaard@elsevier.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">It would actually be very interesting to 'get you started on the publishing<br class="">
industry', Mark!<br class="">
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I completely agree with Mercury that 'publishers should be partners in the<br class="">
research ecosystem, not gatekeepers who determine what gets in<br class="">
and what stays out of the sphere of public knowledge': so what should we<br class="">
do, that we're not currently doing, to be the best partners that we can be?<br class="">
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Thanks so much for your advice!<br class="">
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Best,<br class="">
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Anita<br class="">
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Subject: Re: [CODATA-international] October 2019: Publications in the Data<br class="">
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I totally agree, Mercury. (Don’t get me started on the publishing industry).<br class="">
I just wanted to give credit to one small program (NSF Arctic) that is doing<br class="">
the right thing, and that other agencies and programs should follow its<br class="">
lead.<br class="">
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cheers,<br class="">
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Thanks, Mark--that's a great point. That program's open data policy<br class="">
is stated in the DCL<br class="">
(<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2016/nsf16055/nsf16055.jsp__;!ioFpBMP7lJU!h-uzUHlSfxtRGk73LvMdcPRN1Ms8MYuNzHiuS8mbv_zURgG6JP_3LEkZLWISoXs$" class="">https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2016/nsf16055/nsf16055.jsp__;!ioFpBMP7lJU!h-uzUHlSfxtRGk73LvMdcPRN1Ms8MYuNzHiuS8mbv_zURgG6JP_3LEkZLWISoXs$</a>
), which also<br class="">
states that the policy is a requirement of international treaty, which<br class="">
probably provides some context for the political will behind the<br class="">
policy in this case. My point is that this kind of clear policy<br class="">
directive shouldn't be a one-off.<br class="">
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And since I'm on a soap box about it, I also don't think it's<br class="">
acceptable for NSF & c. to expect the scientific community to simply<br class="">
shift norms and practices in this regard, when the federal funding<br class="">
agencies are unwilling to change the institutional conditions that<br class="">
drive those norms.<br class="">
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And another thing... I also think it's inappropriate for them to pass<br class="">
their oversight and quality control duties to the publishing industry,<br class="">
which is basically a roadmap for corruption. I'm not pointing fingers<br class="">
at any specific publisher or agency; but publishers should be partners<br class="">
in the research ecosystem, not gatekeepers who determine what gets in<br class="">
and what stays out of the sphere of public knowledge.<br class="">
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OK, that's all the rant I have left in me for today. Thanks everybody<br class="">
and have a great weekend!<br class="">
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-Mercury<br class="">
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On 1 Nov 2019, at 10:04, Mercury Fox<br class="">
<<a href="mailto:ceds@email.arizona.edu" class="">ceds@email.arizona.edu</a><<a href="mailto:ceds@email.arizona.edu" class="">mailto:ceds@email.arizona.edu</a>>> wrote:<br class="">
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they could change the norm overnight by simply tying the policy to<br class="">
the award and requiring open data as a deliverable.<br class="">
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For the record, the NSF Arctic Program does just that, and they<br class="">
follow up and do QC, AND they fund an archive to make it possible.<br class="">
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