<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi All, In support of Mark,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To get the change we all seek, come up with a policy that has broad support and apply it, as the Polar Data Centre has done, provide infrastructure and agreements as in Codata and RDA and WDS efforts, and find good practice, and promote it, as Australia did with a Festival of Open data.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Policy. practice and infrastructure are all needed, and together to obtain the very big change in practice that is needed.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We found that the key was to “get on with it”, rather than seeking perfect practice, perfect metadata, perfect compliance. In fact perfect gets in the way of rapid change.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 2 Nov 2019, at 4:44 am, Parsons, Mark <<a href="mailto:parsom3@rpi.edu" class="">parsom3@rpi.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Falk, I can’t find all your data for you. Nor can I make sure they are in formats you like. All I can say is that my experience as a member of the NSF Arctic Data Center Advisory Committee indicates that the NSF Arctic program has had a very solid and enforced
data policy for the last several years.
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<div class="">Does it cover all US-funded Arctic data? No. It doesn’t even cover past NSF data. Are there exceptions? Yes. Do some investigators manage to weasel around the policy? Of course. Nonetheless, I think it is a model for the rest of NSF if not the
rest of the US government. The policy is largely what we called for in IPY and it should be promoted not denigrated. Regardless, screeds on the CODATA list are unlikely to improve it or other program or agency policies.
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<div class="">On 1 Nov 2019, at 11:21, Falk Huettmann <<a href="mailto:fhuettmann@alaska.edu" class="">fhuettmann@alaska.edu</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">100% no!</div>
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<div class="">So for the Arctic records then, U.S.,</div>
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<div class="">where are -ONLINE OPEN ACCESS - the ARCTIC U.S. polar bear GPS and telemetry tracking data, same for arctic fox,</div>
<div class="">and where are the bowhead whale data, killer whale data, all the seal data, and the survey and trawling</div>
<div class="">data by U.S. vessels, with NOAA/NMFS directly involved and during IPY?</div>
<div class="">People want to see and use them; that includes students</div>
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<div class="">And where are the ARCTIC USDA data on Avian Influenza, and the FIA Forest plot</div>
<div class="">data for Alaska, all with GPS and geo-referencing and metadata?</div>
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<div class="">Where are the Arctic Bird Banding data, Golden Eagles included, Open Access online ?</div>
<div class="">Bering Sea salmon and seabird survey data; 30 years of records there; where are they and who can use them,</div>
<div class="">apart of a few agencies and their contractors ?</div>
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<div class="">Please provide exact details then for people to use those data.</div>
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Again, Mark, that's FOR THE ARCTIC, U.S., with federal as well NSF and NIH involvement,</div>
<div class="">including permits of land-use, animal care and vets approval.</div>
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<div class="">And the devil here often sits in the detail instead and data are not really useable (even when a URL exists),</div>
<div class="">that is, meaningful GPS coordinates and taxonomy, and usable data formats, nor somebody available to talk to.</div>
<div class="">NetCDF is 100% NOT IT, that is for many of the NOAA and NMFS climate data, as an example.</div>
<div class="">IPCC are the others (ARCTIC) and so are the data related to Prudhoe Bay, or Barrow, Arctic Drilling,</div>
<div class="">and the Bering Sea, all part of the ARCTIC U.S. you refer to.</div>
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<div class="">Here a good one, as one example of many for you to solve:</div>
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<div class="">How to get and use those data, with metadata, why not in GBIF, OBIS, hardly Movebank for public download, e.g. in R ?</div>
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<div class="">Please provide details on those to us please Mark, all as you stated and worked on for years, Arctic + IPY and beyond all with your direct involvement .<br class="">
What's the track record here ?.</div>
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<div class="">In 'the U.S. Arctic' there are now also Japanese, Koreans, Indians and Chinese working, apart of Russia as the main player, for over 50 years.</div>
<div class="">WHERE ARE THESE DATA, and why not pushed more, mandatory (as we all agree on) ?</div>
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<div class="">So instead of making such bold and well-sounding claims, I propose Mark, you can first ask people who actually know and work with, and use and need such data</div>
<div class="">for decades for a simple reality check and advise, and to actually progress.</div>
<div class="">We have enough empty promises indeed. I see them almost daily but I ask for data open access online instead.</div>
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<div class="">Re. journal data submissions received: does that not speak volumes by itself, e.g. objectives of such a science and rewards, or who really cares ?</div>
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<div class="">Thanks again; kindly from 'the Arctic'</div>
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<div class="">PS Instead of claimed progress on Open Access, I propose we can have a publication and journal where the failures of NOT Open Access data sharing are outlined and discussed.</div>
<div class="">It's gigantic and on the rise: Arctic, Antarctic, Asia and Africa etc etc</div>
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<div class="">For the record, the NSF Arctic Program does just that, and they follow up and do QC, AND they fund an archive to make it possible.</div>
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