<div dir="ltr">I must disagree with Anatoly.  Copyrights and IP policies are not the central problem here.  <div><div>It is often a lack of respect for local researchers, who are considered only as sources of data.</div><div>An African researcher told me that she receives messages from people at European and American universities that say: "Let's collaborate.  First, you send us all of your data."</div><div><br></div><div>Kassim's comments about creating true partnerships from the beginning of projects are very important.  Projects that build such partnerships produce much better science too.</div><div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">       George<div>---------------------------------------------------</div><div><div><font face="georgia, serif">George Alter</font></div><div><span style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:12.8px">Research Professor, ICPSR</span><br></div><div><font face="georgia, serif">Professor of History, University of Michigan</font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif">PO Box 1248, Ann Arbor, MI 48106-1248</font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif">Tel: 734-478-0783    Fax: 734-647-8200</font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif">Email: <a href="mailto:altergc@umich.edu" target="_blank">altergc@umich.edu</a></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 6:27 AM anatoly <<a href="mailto:av@total-knowledge.com">av@total-knowledge.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>I don't know what "data capitalism" could mean conceptually. But
      it seems to be clear that we deal here with a direct  derivative
      of IP concept(s). Copyrights, patents, trademarks, etc. are in
      opposition to the very foundation of humanity in general, art and
      science -- in particular. If and when IP monsters be gone the
      derivatives must  die along.<br>
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    <p>Anatoly Volynets<br>
    </p>
    <div>On 10/11/19 15:46, Mwitondi, Kassim
      wrote:<br>
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      This is an instance of a biased data ownership. A few years ago I
      was working with a young African researcher on an agro-forestry
      research project. No sooner had we started than I realused that
      her centre had only some descriptive statistics but no direct
      access to the biomass data which she and her colleagues had spent
      months collecting from two islands! The vast chunk of the data had
      left with the development partners at the end of the project. It
      turned out, nobody at the centre had any knowledge or pressing
      interest to pursue the data and there was already new initiatives
      to run another project, which in my view was almost a duplicate of
      the first, but this time with a different development partner.<br>
      <br>
      To cut the long story short, I have come across several cases of
      data ownership of this nature and my view is that it doesn't help
      much coining terminologies, as the best that can be achieved is a
      blame culture. Would I call that data capitalism? Colonialism?
      Feudalism? I never would! I have learnt, over the years, that
      proper problem identification is a major stride in working out the
      solution. Blaming it on one part marginalizing the other when it
      comes to data generation, access and ownership is stripping
      everyone on the project of a fundamental responsibility in
      managing the project.<br>
      <br>
      Apparently, the problem starts with the project write-up. If the
      project recipient is fully engaged from project initiation to
      delivery, they surely should know how to access the data, as that
      is a key project deliverable. My personal experience is that there
      are a several factors that lead to this kind of situation. One,
      many project ideas are top-down, that is, they are not developed
      within the working conditions of the recipients. Two, there are
      often many gaps in engagement, mainly caused by near disparate
      motives on many projects, with the funders, experts and recipients
      not necessarily having the same perception, motives or knowledge.
      Put the two together and add the determined project timeline, you
      have a near disaster. But the tripartite interests to run projects
      continues and we are creating a vicious cycle. What is the
      solution? It must start from the recipients who must align each
      incoming project with their respective development strategies.
      They must present themselves as equal partners in defining the
      project problem and tracking and measuring its outcomes. They
      should be able to quantifiable identify what worked and what
      didn't and any there should be national institutions charged with
      such responsibility. I could be writing all night, I would rather
      stop here for now.<br>
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      Thanks.<br>
      <br>
      KSM<br>
      <br>
      Dr Kassim S. Mwitondi<br>
      Sheffield Hallam University<br>
      Faculty of Science, Technology and Arts<br>
      Communication & Computing Research Centre<br>
      9410 Cantor Building, City Campus<br>
      153 Arundel Street<br>
      Sheffield, S1 2NU<br>
      United Kingdom<br>
      Tel. +44-114-2256914 (Direct)<br>
      Tel. +44-114-2255555 (General)<br>
<a href="https://www.shu.ac.uk/about-us/our-people/staff-profiles/kassim-mwitondi" target="_blank">https://www.shu.ac.uk/about-us/our-people/staff-profiles/kassim-mwitondi</a><br>
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          CODATA-international
          <a href="mailto:codata-international-bounces@lists.codata.org" target="_blank"><codata-international-bounces@lists.codata.org></a> on
          behalf of Trimpact - Niek <a href="mailto:niek@trimpact.nl" target="_blank"><niek@trimpact.nl></a><br>
          <b>Sent:</b> 11 October 2019 18:12:22<br>
          <b>To:</b> 'Ernie Boyko' <a href="mailto:boykern@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><boykern@yahoo.com></a>; 'CODATA
          International' <a href="mailto:codata-international@lists.codata.org" target="_blank"><codata-international@lists.codata.org></a>;
          'Suchith Anand' <a href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank"><Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk></a><br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CODATA-international] Digital Feudalism</font>
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          <p><span lang="EN-GB">Dear all,</span></p>
          <p><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
          <p><span lang="EN-GB">This is
              indeed a huge problem. I also recently learned that
              information data from NGOs are best perhaps shared with
              some ministries in Bamako, Mali, but not within a region
              where the work is being done. This implies that local
              decision makers remain dependant on the information/data
              stream back from the ministries which may take some
              months, if ever. This can never be the purpose of the work
              executed.</span></p>
          <p><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
          <p><span lang="EN-GB">Since most
              of the projects are financed with public funding for the
              benefit of de people in the given (development) country
              and data/information belong in fact to the real funds
              provider of the work (i.e. tax payers), claims of
              intellectual property rights that data belong to the
              project executors seem not applicable. Consequently, data
              and other information (e.g. lessons learned) should be
              shared at large to the population and other relevant
              stakeholders to avoid duplication of efforts.</span></p>
          <p><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
          <p><span lang="EN-GB">A
              discussion worthwhile to be continued.</span></p>
          <p><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
          <p><span>Kind regards,</span></p>
          <p style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
          <p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Dr. Niek van Duivenbooden</span></p>
          <p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)"> </span><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
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              <p><b>Van:</b> CODATA-international
                <a href="mailto:codata-international-bounces@lists.codata.org" target="_blank"><codata-international-bounces@lists.codata.org></a>
                <b>Namens </b>Ernie Boyko<br>
                <b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 11 oktober 2019 15:26<br>
                <b>Aan:</b> CODATA International
                <a href="mailto:codata-international@lists.codata.org" target="_blank"><codata-international@lists.codata.org></a>; Suchith
                Anand <a href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank"><Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk></a><br>
                <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [CODATA-international] Digital
                Feudalism</p>
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                <p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-GB">Thank you Suchith,</span></p>
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                <p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-GB">I have not heard that term before but I
                    did run into   related term this week at the
                    DDI-CODATA workshop here in Dagstuhl.  The term is
                    Data Colonialism.  This often happens when a foreign
                    entity (e.g., a development agency/project).e data
                    are collected in a developing country and are taken
                    out of the country.  They will leave behind some
                    summary tables but will take the rich data and
                    metadata away.  This makes it difficult to develop
                    the data analysis and management skills within the
                    country.  </span></p>
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                <p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-GB">Thanks for the message.</span></p>
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                        <p style="background:white"><span lang="EN-GB">Cheers,
                            Ernie</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                        <p style="background:white"><span lang="EN-GB">+1-613-290-2804</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                        <p style="background:white"><b><span lang="EN-GB">Larrimac:  More than a golf
                              course!</span></b><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                        <p style="background:white"><b><span lang="EN-GB">CODATA: Making data work
                              together to improve science to support
                              decision makers.</span></b><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                        <p style="background:white"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                        <p style="background:white"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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                <p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)" lang="EN-GB">On Friday, October 11,
                    2019, 08:51:29 AM EDT, Suchith Anand <</span><a href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif" lang="EN-GB">Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk</span></a><span lang="EN-GB">>
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                            <p><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">I came across
                                a recent op-ed by Prof. Mariana
                                Mazzucato on “Digital Feudalism”  at</span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                            <p style="font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                            <p style="font-stretch:normal"><a href="https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/platform-economy-digital-feudalism-by-mariana-mazzucato-2019-10?utm_source=Project+Syndicate+Newsletter&utm_campaign=d192f2bc47-sunday_newsletter_6_10_2019&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_73bad5b7d8-d192f2bc47-105013549&mc_cid=d192f2bc47&mc_eid=a8cee90b20" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/platform-economy-digital-feudalism-by-mariana-mazzucato-2019-10?utm_source=Project+Syndicate+Newsletter&utm_campaign=d192f2bc47-sunday_newsletter_6_10_2019&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_73bad5b7d8-d192f2bc47-105013549&mc_cid=d192f2bc47&mc_eid=a8cee90b20</span></a><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(228,175,10)" lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                            <p style="font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                            <p style="font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">Prof. Mazzucato is a
                                leading researcher and thinker on
                                Technology and Innovation, advisor to
                                the European Commission on research and
                                innovation strategy, and author of two
                                important books on the subject “The
                                Value of Everything” and
                                “The Entrepreneurial State”. </span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                            <p style="font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                            <p style="font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">The report on
                                “Mission-oriented Research and
                                Innovation in the European Union” might
                                be of interest</span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                            <p style="font-stretch:normal"><a href="https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/mazzucato_report_2018.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/mazzucato_report_2018.pdf</span></a><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(228,175,10)" lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                            <p style="font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                            <p style="font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">Since the use of cloud
                                platforms for GIS data analysis is
                                having a huge impact on the GIS
                                community, the subject is of relevance.
                              </span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black">I would like learn more on
                                this </span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)"></span></p>
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                              <li style="color:rgb(69,69,69)"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">Are there any examples of
                                  Digital Feudalism in GIS? </span><span style="font-size:9pt" lang="EN-GB"></span></li>
                              <li style="color:rgb(69,69,69);font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">How will Digital
                                  Feudalism in GIS affect our future
                                  generations?</span><span style="font-size:9pt" lang="EN-GB"></span></li>
                              <li style="color:rgb(69,69,69);font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">What policies are
                                  governments, regulators doing to
                                  reduce Digital Feudalism in GIS?</span><span style="font-size:9pt" lang="EN-GB"></span></li>
                              <li style="color:rgb(69,69,69);font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">What policies and
                                  curriculum are universities, educators
                                  adopting to reduce Digital Feudalism
                                  in GIS?</span><span style="font-size:9pt" lang="EN-GB"></span></li>
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                            <p style="font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                            <p style="font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">Best wishes,</span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                            <p style="font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                            <p style="font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">Suchith</span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                            <p style="font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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