<div dir="ltr">I must disagree with Anatoly. Copyrights and IP policies are not the central problem here. <div><div>It is often a lack of respect for local researchers, who are considered only as sources of data.</div><div>An African researcher told me that she receives messages from people at European and American universities that say: "Let's collaborate. First, you send us all of your data."</div><div><br></div><div>Kassim's comments about creating true partnerships from the beginning of projects are very important. Projects that build such partnerships produce much better science too.</div><div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"> George<div>---------------------------------------------------</div><div><div><font face="georgia, serif">George Alter</font></div><div><span style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:12.8px">Research Professor, ICPSR</span><br></div><div><font face="georgia, serif">Professor of History, University of Michigan</font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif">PO Box 1248, Ann Arbor, MI 48106-1248</font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif">Tel: 734-478-0783 Fax: 734-647-8200</font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif">Email: <a href="mailto:altergc@umich.edu" target="_blank">altergc@umich.edu</a></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 6:27 AM anatoly <<a href="mailto:av@total-knowledge.com">av@total-knowledge.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I don't know what "data capitalism" could mean conceptually. But
it seems to be clear that we deal here with a direct derivative
of IP concept(s). Copyrights, patents, trademarks, etc. are in
opposition to the very foundation of humanity in general, art and
science -- in particular. If and when IP monsters be gone the
derivatives must die along.<br>
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<p>Anatoly Volynets<br>
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<div>On 10/11/19 15:46, Mwitondi, Kassim
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This is an instance of a biased data ownership. A few years ago I
was working with a young African researcher on an agro-forestry
research project. No sooner had we started than I realused that
her centre had only some descriptive statistics but no direct
access to the biomass data which she and her colleagues had spent
months collecting from two islands! The vast chunk of the data had
left with the development partners at the end of the project. It
turned out, nobody at the centre had any knowledge or pressing
interest to pursue the data and there was already new initiatives
to run another project, which in my view was almost a duplicate of
the first, but this time with a different development partner.<br>
<br>
To cut the long story short, I have come across several cases of
data ownership of this nature and my view is that it doesn't help
much coining terminologies, as the best that can be achieved is a
blame culture. Would I call that data capitalism? Colonialism?
Feudalism? I never would! I have learnt, over the years, that
proper problem identification is a major stride in working out the
solution. Blaming it on one part marginalizing the other when it
comes to data generation, access and ownership is stripping
everyone on the project of a fundamental responsibility in
managing the project.<br>
<br>
Apparently, the problem starts with the project write-up. If the
project recipient is fully engaged from project initiation to
delivery, they surely should know how to access the data, as that
is a key project deliverable. My personal experience is that there
are a several factors that lead to this kind of situation. One,
many project ideas are top-down, that is, they are not developed
within the working conditions of the recipients. Two, there are
often many gaps in engagement, mainly caused by near disparate
motives on many projects, with the funders, experts and recipients
not necessarily having the same perception, motives or knowledge.
Put the two together and add the determined project timeline, you
have a near disaster. But the tripartite interests to run projects
continues and we are creating a vicious cycle. What is the
solution? It must start from the recipients who must align each
incoming project with their respective development strategies.
They must present themselves as equal partners in defining the
project problem and tracking and measuring its outcomes. They
should be able to quantifiable identify what worked and what
didn't and any there should be national institutions charged with
such responsibility. I could be writing all night, I would rather
stop here for now.<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
<br>
KSM<br>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB">Dear all,</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB">This is
indeed a huge problem. I also recently learned that
information data from NGOs are best perhaps shared with
some ministries in Bamako, Mali, but not within a region
where the work is being done. This implies that local
decision makers remain dependant on the information/data
stream back from the ministries which may take some
months, if ever. This can never be the purpose of the work
executed.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB">Since most
of the projects are financed with public funding for the
benefit of de people in the given (development) country
and data/information belong in fact to the real funds
provider of the work (i.e. tax payers), claims of
intellectual property rights that data belong to the
project executors seem not applicable. Consequently, data
and other information (e.g. lessons learned) should be
shared at large to the population and other relevant
stakeholders to avoid duplication of efforts.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB">A
discussion worthwhile to be continued.</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p><span>Kind regards,</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-GB">I have not heard that term before but I
did run into related term this week at the
DDI-CODATA workshop here in Dagstuhl. The term is
Data Colonialism. This often happens when a foreign
entity (e.g., a development agency/project).e data
are collected in a developing country and are taken
out of the country. They will leave behind some
summary tables but will take the rich data and
metadata away. This makes it difficult to develop
the data analysis and management skills within the
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2019, 08:51:29 AM EDT, Suchith Anand <</span><a href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif" lang="EN-GB">Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk</span></a><span lang="EN-GB">>
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<p><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">I came across
a recent op-ed by Prof. Mariana
Mazzucato on “Digital Feudalism” at</span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p style="font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p style="font-stretch:normal"><a href="https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/platform-economy-digital-feudalism-by-mariana-mazzucato-2019-10?utm_source=Project+Syndicate+Newsletter&utm_campaign=d192f2bc47-sunday_newsletter_6_10_2019&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_73bad5b7d8-d192f2bc47-105013549&mc_cid=d192f2bc47&mc_eid=a8cee90b20" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/platform-economy-digital-feudalism-by-mariana-mazzucato-2019-10?utm_source=Project+Syndicate+Newsletter&utm_campaign=d192f2bc47-sunday_newsletter_6_10_2019&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_73bad5b7d8-d192f2bc47-105013549&mc_cid=d192f2bc47&mc_eid=a8cee90b20</span></a><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(228,175,10)" lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p style="font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p style="font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">Prof. Mazzucato is a
leading researcher and thinker on
Technology and Innovation, advisor to
the European Commission on research and
innovation strategy, and author of two
important books on the subject “The
Value of Everything” and
“The Entrepreneurial State”. </span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p style="font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p style="font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">The report on
“Mission-oriented Research and
Innovation in the European Union” might
be of interest</span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p style="font-stretch:normal"><a href="https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/mazzucato_report_2018.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/mazzucato_report_2018.pdf</span></a><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(228,175,10)" lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p style="font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p style="font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">Since the use of cloud
platforms for GIS data analysis is
having a huge impact on the GIS
community, the subject is of relevance.
</span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black">I would like learn more on
this </span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)"></span></p>
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<li style="color:rgb(69,69,69)"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">Are there any examples of
Digital Feudalism in GIS? </span><span style="font-size:9pt" lang="EN-GB"></span></li>
<li style="color:rgb(69,69,69);font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">How will Digital
Feudalism in GIS affect our future
generations?</span><span style="font-size:9pt" lang="EN-GB"></span></li>
<li style="color:rgb(69,69,69);font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">What policies are
governments, regulators doing to
reduce Digital Feudalism in GIS?</span><span style="font-size:9pt" lang="EN-GB"></span></li>
<li style="color:rgb(69,69,69);font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">What policies and
curriculum are universities, educators
adopting to reduce Digital Feudalism
in GIS?</span><span style="font-size:9pt" lang="EN-GB"></span></li>
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<p style="font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p style="font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">Best wishes,</span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p style="font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p style="font-stretch:normal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">Suchith</span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(69,69,69)" lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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