[CODATA-international] [EXTERNAL] - Re: October 2019: Publications in the Data Science Journal
Garrity, George
garrity at msu.edu
Mon Nov 4 11:59:29 EST 2019
Dear all,
An interesting discussion, but a couple of other points to keep in mind include:
Potential ramifications of the Bayh-Dole act in the US and ownership rights and obligations to inventions and copyrights (and by extension the underlying supporting data). While it may seem that the PI on a grant “owns” their data, it is the institution form whom the PI works that enters into the agreements with the funding agencies and in the US, there are generally (always) agreements in place between an employee and employer regarding IP assignment obligations.
Provenance and attribution rights and obligations for the underlying data and metadata. This is an area of increasing importance and concern with funding agencies, especially when “trustees” employees may have access to the pre-publication data of others and can make use of it for their own purposes. Data use and data release policies are becoming increasingly important in some agencies.
Other intellectual property rights that might be tied to how the data and metadata are generated, formatted and disseminated.
George Garrity
On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:25 AM, Baru, Chaitanya K. <cbaru at nsf.gov<mailto:cbaru at nsf.gov>> wrote:
Hi Mercury,
This is an interesting idea and would, indeed, be interesting to look at what it takes to get this done. You are basically suggesting what I would call "exit criteria" for projects. Projects would not receive that last slug of funding until these criteria are met, which means of course that there needs to be some sort of review process--which may be a combination of manual and automated, etc.
As you develop your proposal, you may want to keep in mind what is the "burden" on the funding agencies, in terms of reviewing the exit criteria.
Cheers,
--chaitan
Senior Advisor, Data Science Strategic Initiatives
Office of the Vice President for Research
San Diego Supercomputer Center
Halicioglu Data Science Institute
UC San Diego
La Jolla, CA 921093
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On 11/4/19, 12:24 AM, "CODATA-international on behalf of Mercury Fox" <codata-international-bounces at lists.codata.org<mailto:codata-international-bounces at lists.codata.org> on behalf of ceds at email.arizona.edu<mailto:ceds at email.arizona.edu>> wrote:
Hi Anita and All-
I am in the early stages of developing a proposal for an institutional
review of NSF's award process. I believe that they are currently
receptive to this type of review, and support from publishers and the
open research community would be very helpful.
The solution here is so simple and obvious--tie the money to the data
by making it a deliverable--that there must be something seriously
dysfunctional in the award process.
Funders can just withhold the last 20% (or whatever) of the award
until the data, which they paid for, is formatted and posted according
to agency guidelines. Then we can forget this nonsense about how to
shift community norms toward open research and data sharing, and focus
on how to promote and incorporate FAIR principles in those agency
guidelines.
I think we all know why these simple solutions aren't adopted, and I
think that an institutional review would be a good place to start
moving past those encumbrances.
On 11/3/19, Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) <A.dewaard at elsevier.com<mailto:A.dewaard at elsevier.com>> wrote:
It would actually be very interesting to 'get you started on the publishing
industry', Mark!
I completely agree with Mercury that 'publishers should be partners in the
research ecosystem, not gatekeepers who determine what gets in
and what stays out of the sphere of public knowledge': so what should we
do, that we're not currently doing, to be the best partners that we can be?
Thanks so much for your advice!
Best,
Anita
Anita de Waard
Vice President of Research Collaborations
Elsevier Research Collaborations Unit
71 Hanley Lane, Jericho, VT 05465
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Subject: Re: [CODATA-international] October 2019: Publications in the Data
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I totally agree, Mercury. (Don’t get me started on the publishing industry).
I just wanted to give credit to one small program (NSF Arctic) that is doing
the right thing, and that other agencies and programs should follow its
lead.
cheers,
-m.
On 1 Nov 2019, at 11:52, Mercury Fox <ceds at email.arizona.edu<mailto:ceds at email.arizona.edu>> wrote:
Thanks, Mark--that's a great point. That program's open data policy
is stated in the DCL
(https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2016/nsf16055/nsf16055.jsp__;!ioFpBMP7lJU!h-uzUHlSfxtRGk73LvMdcPRN1Ms8MYuNzHiuS8mbv_zURgG6JP_3LEkZLWISoXs$ ), which also
states that the policy is a requirement of international treaty, which
probably provides some context for the political will behind the
policy in this case. My point is that this kind of clear policy
directive shouldn't be a one-off.
And since I'm on a soap box about it, I also don't think it's
acceptable for NSF & c. to expect the scientific community to simply
shift norms and practices in this regard, when the federal funding
agencies are unwilling to change the institutional conditions that
drive those norms.
And another thing... I also think it's inappropriate for them to pass
their oversight and quality control duties to the publishing industry,
which is basically a roadmap for corruption. I'm not pointing fingers
at any specific publisher or agency; but publishers should be partners
in the research ecosystem, not gatekeepers who determine what gets in
and what stays out of the sphere of public knowledge.
OK, that's all the rant I have left in me for today. Thanks everybody
and have a great weekend!
-Mercury
On 11/1/19, Parsons, Mark <parsom3 at rpi.edu<mailto:parsom3 at rpi.edu>> wrote:
On 1 Nov 2019, at 10:04, Mercury Fox
<ceds at email.arizona.edu<mailto:ceds at email.arizona.edu><mailto:ceds at email.arizona.edu>> wrote:
they could change the norm overnight by simply tying the policy to
the award and requiring open data as a deliverable.
For the record, the NSF Arctic Program does just that, and they
follow up and do QC, AND they fund an archive to make it possible.
cheers,
-m.
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