[CODATA-international] Arctic ? Re: October 2019: Publications in the Data Science Journal
parsom3 at rpi.edu
Fri Nov 1 13:44:01 EDT 2019
Falk, I can’t find all your data for you. Nor can I make sure they are in formats you like. All I can say is that my experience as a member of the NSF Arctic Data Center Advisory Committee indicates that the NSF Arctic program has had a very solid and enforced data policy for the last several years.
Does it cover all US-funded Arctic data? No. It doesn’t even cover past NSF data. Are there exceptions? Yes. Do some investigators manage to weasel around the policy? Of course. Nonetheless, I think it is a model for the rest of NSF if not the rest of the US government. The policy is largely what we called for in IPY and it should be promoted not denigrated. Regardless, screeds on the CODATA list are unlikely to improve it or other program or agency policies.
On 1 Nov 2019, at 11:21, Falk Huettmann <fhuettmann at alaska.edu<mailto:fhuettmann at alaska.edu>> wrote:
Hi there, Mark et al.,
So for the Arctic records then, U.S.,
where are -ONLINE OPEN ACCESS - the ARCTIC U.S. polar bear GPS and telemetry tracking data, same for arctic fox,
and where are the bowhead whale data, killer whale data, all the seal data, and the survey and trawling
data by U.S. vessels, with NOAA/NMFS directly involved and during IPY?
People want to see and use them; that includes students
And where are the ARCTIC USDA data on Avian Influenza, and the FIA Forest plot
data for Alaska, all with GPS and geo-referencing and metadata?
Where are the Arctic Bird Banding data, Golden Eagles included, Open Access online ?
Bering Sea salmon and seabird survey data; 30 years of records there; where are they and who can use them,
apart of a few agencies and their contractors ?
Please provide exact details then for people to use those data.
Again, Mark, that's FOR THE ARCTIC, U.S., with federal as well NSF and NIH involvement,
including permits of land-use, animal care and vets approval.
And the devil here often sits in the detail instead and data are not really useable (even when a URL exists),
that is, meaningful GPS coordinates and taxonomy, and usable data formats, nor somebody available to talk to.
NetCDF is 100% NOT IT, that is for many of the NOAA and NMFS climate data, as an example.
IPCC are the others (ARCTIC) and so are the data related to Prudhoe Bay, or Barrow, Arctic Drilling,
and the Bering Sea, all part of the ARCTIC U.S. you refer to.
Here a good one, as one example of many for you to solve:
How to get and use those data, with metadata, why not in GBIF, OBIS, hardly Movebank for public download, e.g. in R ?
Please provide details on those to us please Mark, all as you stated and worked on for years, Arctic + IPY and beyond all with your direct involvement .
What's the track record here ?.
In 'the U.S. Arctic' there are now also Japanese, Koreans, Indians and Chinese working, apart of Russia as the main player, for over 50 years.
WHERE ARE THESE DATA, and why not pushed more, mandatory (as we all agree on) ?
So instead of making such bold and well-sounding claims, I propose Mark, you can first ask people who actually know and work with, and use and need such data
for decades for a simple reality check and advise, and to actually progress.
We have enough empty promises indeed. I see them almost daily but I ask for data open access online instead.
Re. journal data submissions received: does that not speak volumes by itself, e.g. objectives of such a science and rewards, or who really cares ?
Thanks again; kindly from 'the Arctic'
Falk Huettmann PhD, Professor
Uni of Alaska Fairbanks
PS Instead of claimed progress on Open Access, I propose we can have a publication and journal where the failures of NOT Open Access data sharing are outlined and discussed.
It's gigantic and on the rise: Arctic, Antarctic, Asia and Africa etc etc
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 8:44 AM Parsons, Mark <parsom3 at rpi.edu<mailto:parsom3 at rpi.edu>> wrote:
On 1 Nov 2019, at 10:04, Mercury Fox <ceds at email.arizona.edu<mailto:ceds at email.arizona.edu>> wrote:
they could change the norm overnight by simply tying the policy
to the award and requiring open data as a deliverable.
For the record, the NSF Arctic Program does just that, and they follow up and do QC, AND they fund an archive to make it possible.
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